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<p>Also speaking is his wife Franziska Kleiner, editor for a German publishing company. </p>
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				<h3>1. Matze Schmidt</h3>
				<p class="meta">Apr 14, 2008 at 6:41 pm			</p>

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<p>Trifft ein Telekommunist einen Ex-textz.comler:</p>
<p>&#8220;Gute Sache das mit dem Raubkopieren. Warum kommst du nicht zu uns?<br />
Wir koennten zusammen eigene Texte schreiben und dann verschenken.&#8221;<br />
Sagt der Ex-textz.comler: &#8220;Keine Zeit, ich muss Filme herunterladen.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Okay&#8221;, sagt der Telekommunist, &#8220;dann drehen wir eigene und<br />
verschenken die.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Keine Zeit, ich muss Geld runterladen.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Na gut, dann drucken wir eigenes und verschenken das.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Keine Zeit, ich muss Pizza runterladen.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Moment mal, Pizza kann man doch garnicht herunterladen.&#8221;<br />
<p>Telecommunist meets Ex-textz.comist:</p>
<p>&#8220;Good thing this pirate copying. Why don&#8217;t you come to us?<br />
We could write our own texts together and give them away.&#8221;<br />
The Ex-textz.comist says: &#8220;No time, got to download films.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Okay&#8221;, the Telecommunist says, &#8220;let&#8217;s make our own movies and<br />
give them away.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No time, got to download money.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Well well, so let&#8217;s print our own money and give it away.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No time, got to download pizza.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Wait a moment, it&#8217;s impossible to download pizza.&#8221;<br />

				<h3>2. <a href='' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Dmytri Kleiner</a></h3>
				<p class="meta">Apr 14, 2008 at 9:07 pm			</p>

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				<p>Hi Matze, who exactly is talking about &#8220;pirate copying&#8221; or downloading pizza? The material basis of property is exactly what is being discussed. Not sure how you could miss it.</p>


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