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Created on 2007-12-10 23:34:09.

2007-11-14

boris: 14:14:14
hello, t'es pas là?
boris: 14:14:40
par là...
aether9: 14:40:07
yep
boris: 14:40:20
hey
boris: 14:40:41
suis en train d'étudier un peu le cas kasparov - DB ...
boris: 14:41:00
quelques bons commentaires de la dernière partie, celle ou l'humanité perd:
boris: 14:41:02
Now, before we get into the match, I would like to run a couple
  of minutes of scholarly discussions about parallel processing
  and how far it has come.
--
Garry Kasparov, the world chess champion is playing a
  computer, programmed to make 200 million chess moves a second.
  And I believe the series is one win apiece and one draw
--
We have the
  world champion with 2 1/2 points.  We have the IBM chess
  program, Deep Blue, with 2 1/2 points.
--


--
Welcome once again to game
  six, the final game of the Kasparov vs. Deep Blue Rematch.  I
  don't know about you, but I'm excited, we're excited, the whole
  world is excited.  And no plug-pulling will happen today, I can
  assure you.  There's no tomorrow.
--

This is it.  And Kasparov
  has it seems been rattled by what is going on here.  All of us
  are amazed by how Deep Blue has played.  The score is tied 1-1,
  that is in wins, and three draws.  So the winner today takes it
  all home.  And Kasparov today is Mother's Day, which I wish a
  happy Mother's Day to you all.  Happy Mother's Day.  Kasparov's
  mother Clara is here.
--
And about Kasparov's mother watching, there's got to
  be some pressure on Mother's Day, Yaz, knowing that her son is
  going into battle.  And in addition to that pressure, Kasparov
  has set this whole thing up as he's defending mankind.  Mankind
  against the ever-encroaching speed and complexity and problem
  solving ability of the computer.
--
I would like to welcome those
  over the WebTV and the Internet who are watching.  We are in
  the Equitable Building now, the auditorium.
--


boris: 14:41:59
> à partir d'un document .swf comme jinga en fabrique, tu as un truc (sinon snapz, mais on en arrive au même problème) pour avoir un format QT compatible?
boris: 14:42:05
> tu as trouvé des commentaires audio? sur le site d'ibm, j'ai trouvé des commentaires audio en format .iba , format apparement impossible à jouer aujourd'hui...
boris: 14:42:43
(mais je les retrouve pas aujourd'hui ces .iba de toute façon) - pour l'audio on devrait enregistrer une voix et la filrer à la HAL après.
aether9: 14:42:53
quicktime ouvre ce genre de fichiers flash, non?
aether9: 14:43:35
oui... ceci dit, pas besoin forcément de déjà créer tout ça, plutôt le mentionner dans les textes.....
boris: 14:43:46
heu - ah oui...
aether9: 14:43:59
je garderais mon temps de montage plutôt pour les vidéos aether à faire....
boris: 14:43:59
(piour qt...)
boris: 14:44:00
pour
boris: 14:44:25
ouais en effet - garder un temps plus long pour faire ne belle vidéo d'hommage à garry et db...
boris: 14:44:49
j'ai la première de l'atelier d'acteur demain, suis pas mal pris par ça. travaillerai donc sérieusement à du montage à partir de vendredi
aether9: 14:45:05
ne pas perdre trop de temps pour l'instant, l'objectif est de publier un texte résumé et quelques images aléchantes...
aether9: 14:46:43
nice!

2007-11-16

boris: 20:11:58
hi
boris: 20:12:17
cant figure out who to fucking connect to irc room...
boris: 20:15:18
ah mais apparement c'est juste que je suis le seul connecté... bon je vais me doucher - à toute
boris: 20:38:01
you on irc?

2007-11-18

aether9: 21:57:36
me voici
boris: 21:57:45
yo - 2 sec
boris: 21:59:10
ok
boris: 21:59:18
suis dans internet café donc pas d'audio
aether9: 22:00:55
oui, donc, suis en train de lire ton texte.
boris: 22:01:17
ah oui, c'est pas ordré , je commençais - y a des bons trucs dedans
boris: 22:01:29
commençais à adapter...
boris: 22:01:35
viens de voir le myspace - nice
aether9: 22:01:58
globalement, je ferais un peu moins grandiloquent.
aether9: 22:02:09
spécialement, je n'insterais pas sur le passé
aether9: 22:02:28
plutot un texte qui décrit simplement les buts/objectifs
aether9: 22:02:39
à dubai, tout ce développement est assez récent
boris: 22:02:50
un peu moins de bouffoneries, suis d'accord...
aether9: 22:03:17
et je vois ça pas comme une entreprise, plutot du jargon art-buisness donc
aether9: 22:03:43
on peut s'inspirer de ceci (un centre similaire au japon):
aether9: 22:03:44
http://www.ntticc.or.jp/About/introduction.html
aether9: 22:03:57
DUDAC wishes to encourage the dialogue between technology and the arts with a core theme of "communication," thereby building an affluent society for the future. Through such dialogue, it also aims to become a network that links artists and scientists worldwide, as well as a center for information exchange.
aether9: 22:04:20
ce genre de trucs... ça rend le hoax invérifiable...
boris: 22:04:27
ouaip
aether9: 22:04:50
alors que des dates et chiffres trop précis éveilleront des soupçons ;)
boris: 22:06:17
tu vois que des textes pour les projets "kasparov deepblue" et "opérateurs lumière" ou aussi des vidéos?
aether9: 22:06:38
plutot des "stills" évocateurs
boris: 22:06:46
pour kasparov deepblue je vais essayer de faire un petit montage minimaliste
boris: 22:06:58
pourquoi pas des stills en effet
aether9: 22:08:04
les bonnes images ne manquent pas, une recherche d'images google "kasparov deep blue" donne de très bons résultats
aether9: 22:08:22
http://archive.computerhistory.org/projects/chess/exhibit_layer/still-images/5-4b.Kasparov_vs_Deep_Blue.May-1997.CORBIS-NF1108205.lg.jpg
aether9: 22:08:36
et http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/vintage/images/4506VV1001.jpg
boris: 22:08:37
!!!
aether9: 22:10:10
vois aussi ceci: http://www.laibach.nsk.si/bach.htm
aether9: 22:10:29
perfo de laibach dédiée à bach...
boris: 22:10:49
tiens
boris: 22:14:08
http://images.google.be/imgres?imgurl=http://www.vibrant.com/images/kasparov.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.vibrant.com/blog/ten-servers-that-changed-the-world/&h=156&w=233&sz=10&hl=en&start=112&tbnid=3RHk5HsQWpUZcM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=109&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkasparov%2Bdeep%2Bblue%26start%3D100%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
aether9: 22:16:11
ah oui, bon à savoir.. trouver un 32-node RS/6000 SP RISC system 10 ans plus tard est une gageure en effet. heureusement qu'on avait le soutien d'IBM...
aether9: 22:18:13
pour le texte de présentation DUDAC, un peu de blabla sur Dubai sera également bienvenu: http://www.dubaiinternetcity.com/why_dubai/
aether9: 22:18:30
quasiment adaptable tel quel
boris: 22:19:23
http://ripsaw.cac.psu.edu/%7Emloewen/Q7/scifi/airplane.html
aether9: 22:19:25
btw, est-ce que tu vois chloé ces prochains jours?
boris: 22:19:55
oui, demain soir je suppose. je sais qu'elle et laure ont un rdv de travail jeudi pour aether
aether9: 22:20:58
j'aurais un truc à lui demander, pour wikipedia: qu'elle enregistre "n3krozoft ltd" prononcé bien clairement, à l'américaine avec accent francais, en haute qualité..
aether9: 22:21:37
sur les pages d'écrivains russes p.ex il y a fréquemment un fichier son donnant la bonne prononciation...
boris: 22:21:50
prononcé "n3krozoft limited" donc?
aether9: 22:22:00
L.T.D. je pense...
boris: 22:22:00
lol
boris: 22:22:06
mmm
aether9: 22:22:22
ou peut-être limited ?
boris: 22:22:35
faut essayer les 2
boris: 22:25:17
serait-il bien d'enregistrer des séries de voix?
boris: 22:25:22
du même coup...
aether9: 22:25:47
pour?
boris: 22:26:49
je me demandais à haute voix si ça serait bien d'avoir quelques audio présentations ou warnings pour dudac, myspace ou n3krozoft
boris: 22:27:03
mais rien de bien folichon me vient là.
boris: 22:27:49
tu penses à ce son pour le dudac?
boris: 22:28:26
parce que Chloé revient à geneve le weekend prochain - elle pourrait prendre mic + cable - mais si y faut faire avant on peur s'arranger aussi
aether9: 22:28:43
non, du tout, c'est pour la page wikipedia de n3krozoft... rien d'urgent, juste un élément comique...
boris: 22:29:12
ok - alors laissons cela pour dans 2 semaines - c'est toi qui as le mic et un cable xlr?
boris: 22:29:49
tetris midi pas mal pour kasparov deepblue
aether9: 22:30:28
non, je n'ai pas le mic
boris: 22:31:34
il serait dans a malle?
boris: 22:31:50
la
aether9: 22:32:15
probablement dans les affaires, embarquées par marco et amy.. c'était un peu hectic le déménagement alors je n'ai pas eu le temps de fouiller
boris: 22:32:44
ok - je vais voir cela avec eux alors - il faudra voir pour le cable xlr aussi?
aether9: 22:33:29
oui, je pense que tout est dans une grande sacoche noire..
boris: 22:33:49
genre valise?
aether9: 22:34:29
oui, en plus mou
boris: 22:34:46
ok
boris: 22:38:22
idées pour images de présentation de la perfo des opérateurs-lumière?
boris: 22:38:25
http://www.mitre.org/about/photo_archives/sage_photo.html
boris: 22:38:39
outstanding high res imagery
aether9: 22:40:29
outstanding indeed
boris: 22:55:56
http://www.artdubai.ae/index2.html - le film - on dirait vamos a l'arteplaya 2
boris: 22:56:11
suis en train de l'enregistrer...
boris: 22:57:10
connect?
boris: 22:57:28
http://www.artdubai.ae/index2.html - le film - on dirait vamos a l'arteplaya 2 - http://www.artdubai.ae/index2.html - le film - on dirait vamos a l'arteplaya 2
boris: 22:57:47
quelques bonnes sequences
aether9: 22:59:43
oui, je l'ai aussi archivé, au cas ou...
aether9: 23:03:22
as-tu eu une idée de titre pour la perfo Deep Blue?
boris: 23:03:38
let's brainstorm
aether9: 23:03:41
comment on dit échec et mat en anglais?
boris: 23:04:01
chess mate
boris: 23:04:08
non
aether9: 23:04:13
d'ailleurs, la partie ne s'est pas finie par échec et mat, n'est pas, kasparov a abandonné il me semble
boris: 23:04:17
check mate
boris: 23:04:47
oui
boris: 23:05:01
apparement il a commis une connerie incompréhensible à son niveau en début de partie.
aether9: 23:05:37
est-ce qu'il y aurait un autre terme technique échiquéen approprié?
boris: 23:05:37
(pas une grosse, mais une infime connerie...) - il a continué à se battre et
boris: 23:05:46
après un moment l'infime est devenu implacablement un petit avantage pour l'ordi
boris: 23:05:53
que connerie?
boris: 23:05:56
mmm
aether9: 23:06:25
il existe un film intitulé: Game Over: Kasparov and the Machine , mais ce n'est pas terrible
aether9: 23:07:15
du genre GK MOVE:  8...Qe7
DB MOVE:  900.
GK MOVE: ...fxe6
DB MOVE:  Bg6+.
GK MOVE: ...Kd8
aether9: 23:07:28
mais un peu plus imagé si possible..
boris: 23:07:44
oui en échecs après ces codes, si un coup est mauvais on écrit:
boris: 23:07:50
8...Qe7 ?
boris: 23:07:53
si très mauvais:
boris: 23:07:54
8...Qe7 ??
boris: 23:08:10
si interessant mais pas répértorié:
boris: 23:08:14
8...Qe7 !?
boris: 23:08:20
si douteux mais à vérifier:
boris: 23:08:22
8...Qe7 ?!
boris: 23:08:30
si bon:
boris: 23:08:32
8...Qe7 !
aether9: 23:08:38
ok.. mais il faudrait vraiment trouver le mouvement clé...
boris: 23:08:39
si très très bon:
boris: 23:08:41
8...Qe7 !!
boris: 23:09:27
ensuite il faut voir le nom de l'ouverture qu'a utilisé kasparov dans cette partie, attends
boris: 23:09:49
http://www.research.ibm.com/deepblue/reference/html/i.2.html
aether9: 23:10:14
"As early as move seven, Kasparov made a clear mistake allowing a sacrifice of a knight that is known to be very strong. "
aether9: 23:10:47
Move seven:  7. N1f3 h6
boris: 23:11:02
Antipositional 
boris: 23:11:29
Antipositional
    A move or a plan that is not in accordance with the principles of positional play. Antipositional is used to describe moves that are part of an incorrect plan rather than a mistake made when trying to follow a correct plan. Antipositional moves are often pawn moves, since pawns cannot move backwards to return to squares they have left. 
boris: 23:11:37
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_terms
boris: 23:13:47
arry Kasparov is
  not a Caro-Kann player.  The Caro-Kann is an opening that is
  very quiet, that is to say it's a very positional-based
  opening.  Tactics usually come much later in the game and it's
  very often that in a Caro-Kann style of play, the whole game is
  a strategic, positional game.  I had hoped as you saw me, I
  tried to make a prediction that Garry is going to play his
  favorite Sicilian, c7-c5, which he didn't do.  So I don't know
  what Garry was expecting with the Caro-Kann.
boris: 23:13:59
la partie en question est une "CaroKann"
boris: 23:14:06
Caro-Kann
aether9: 23:15:03
DB MOVE: 19 c4
aether9: 23:15:10
c'est le dernier mouvement de deep blue
aether9: 23:15:24
ça ressemble étrangement à 1904.cc
boris: 23:15:31
could be a title
boris: 23:15:43
mmm
aether9: 23:16:08
IBM computer Deep Blue has defeated the world champion Garry Kasparov in an absolutely stunning, stunning 19 mover!
aether9: 23:16:22
And Kasparov has just simply stormed away. We should say congratulations to Deep Blue and their programmers. (Audience applause.)
aether9: 23:17:12
What Garry saw was that after this move c4, remember what we were talking about, that overloaded bishop, how it would suddenly become vulnerable. If Bxb4 -- Bxc4 Qxc4, queen mate.
boris: 23:17:20
tu trouves cela où?
aether9: 23:17:27
http://www.research.ibm.com/deepblue/games/game6/html/move19b.shtml
aether9: 23:20:25
We are anticipating Qxf5 and after a move like /KPW*xf5 there's all kinds of problems.
aether9: 23:20:42
une idée de ce que ça veut dire, ce /KPW*xf5 ?
boris: 23:20:50
And already Fritz 4 is projecting a 3.66 advantage for white in this position, which Fritz 4 is just evaluating a huge material loss for black and no way for him to prevent the flood from coming in and washing those pieces away.
boris: 23:20:50
c'est terrible
boris: 23:21:12
(fritz est LE soft d'échecs, aujourd'hui on a fritz 9...)
aether9: 23:21:29
oui, c'est pas mal... mais ça nous donne pas de titre..
boris: 23:22:34
KPW (tu vois ça ou?)
aether9: 23:22:44
dans un commentaire, mouvement 18...
aether9: 23:25:42
And also I want to say that for the defender, the defender has to look at so many threats that it's much easier when you're playing against the computer to be on the attack than you are when you're on the defense
aether9: 23:25:47
because on the defense, you have to keep Des Moines mind -- keep in mind everything that's possible. Pieces swinging over, pieces coming up and down the board.
boris: 23:25:49
J'adoube
    (from French) "I adjust". A player says "J'adoube" as the international signal that he intends to adjust the position of a piece on the board without being subject to the touched piece rule. 
aether9: 23:26:04
je pense que dans la perfo, kasparov est joué par un danseur...
boris: 23:26:10
qqch que DB peut pas faire... mais Kasparov oui...
boris: 23:27:14
un danseur japonais - butho
aether9: 23:28:27
plutot russe, non? ballets russes?
boris: 23:29:04
ou soudanais, ou tanzanien, de la terre de Lucy
boris: 23:29:28
mais russe pourqoi pas
boris: 23:29:53
je pensais à un type que j'ai vu jouer à berlin accompagné de cette musicienne allemande que tu aimes tant
aether9: 23:30:07
mais peut-etre qu'on ne précise pas pour l'instant..
boris: 23:30:09
il a joué dans le film de sokorov sur l'empereur japonais
boris: 23:30:19
je vais chercher
boris: 23:30:26
danseur aussi
aether9: 23:30:44
oui, mais attention pour les noms.. rien qui soit vérifiable comme faux ;)
boris: 23:31:00
KPW*xf5 - je sais pas, K c'est pour Knight - x f5 c'est qu'il mange le pion en f5
boris: 23:31:05
je sais...
boris: 23:31:19
c'est pour la réalité de la réalité
boris: 23:35:11
 Is it possible that Kasparov has played incorrect theoretically?

YASSER SEIRAWAN: Yes, he has. He blunered. What he did is he transposed moves. 
boris: 23:35:52
je crois qu'il y a une faute de transcription - le mot clé serait "blundered" - to blunder - je check
boris: 23:39:21
(a blunder is...)
boris: 23:39:21
 is a spectacularly bad decision or action, a mistake or error with detrimental consequences to the party that makes it. It is typically attributable to faulty perception: the result of not reading signs, or misinterpreting available information. Naturally many sensible decisions, which even in retrospect were carefully taken, may also prove disastrous mistakes.

The term blunder is often used to refer to military, diplomatic, political, social or business decisions. 
boris: 23:40:01
In chess, a blunder is a very bad move, often given the '?' or even '??' sign
aether9: 23:40:54
ici, un article commentant la partie d'échecs dans 2001... http://mitpress.mit.edu/e-books/Hal/chap5/five1.html
boris: 23:41:04
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_famously_considered_great_blunders
aether9: 23:41:51
"In many recent human-machine matches, the mood has been decidedly pro-human and anti-computer. In the first encounter between the human world champion (Kasparov) and the computer world champion (Deep Thought, Deep Blue's predecessor) in 1989, there was definite hostility toward the computer. When Kasparov pulled out the victory, the audience breathed an audible sigh of relief. In gratitude for "saving human pride," onlookers gave Kasparov a standing ovation."
aether9: 23:44:33
The game in the screenplay is a real one played by two undistinguished players in Hamburg in 1913. Kubrick, a former Washington Square Park chess hustler and aficionado, selected a clever checkmate but was careful not to employ one too complex for viewers to grasp. He picked a position from a fairly obscure game -- one obscure enough not to appear in the 600,000-game database of Deep Blue. I eventually located the game after being directed to an article written by Grandmaster Larry Evans on January 12, 1990 (HAL's birthday).
boris: 23:45:13
!
aether9: 23:45:48
visiblement, cette performance de n3krozoft n'est pas uniquement basée sur la finale kasparov-deep blue..
aether9: 23:46:53
mais se réfère à tout cela: la partie de 1913 à Hambourg, celle du film, celle de1989, puis celles de 1995 et 1996
aether9: 23:47:19
Kasparov 9000
boris: 23:47:28
oui - c'est ou la référence à 1913?
aether9: 23:47:31
comme titre ?
boris: 23:47:49
Kasparov 9000
aether9: 23:48:27
toujours ce meme article: http://mitpress.mit.edu/e-books/Hal/chap5/five2.html
boris: 23:49:22
GARRY 9000
boris: 23:49:25
KASPAROV 9000
boris: 23:49:40
KASPAROV 9000 - pas mal du tout
aether9: 23:50:33
oui, ça n'a pas vraiment de sens mais ça me parait pas mal... le 9000 vient de HAL 9000 of course
aether9: 23:50:53
plus vendable que KPW*xf5 en tous cas
boris: 23:50:54
oui
boris: 23:51:35
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/7378/kubrick.htm
boris: 23:51:38
At the age of 17, he was offered a job as an apprentice photographer for Look magazine.

During this time, Stanley was playing in chess tournaments at the Marshall and Manhattan Chess Clubs. He as also playing in the parks such as Washington Square in Greenwich and elsewhere for money as a chess hustler. He knew when to get a park chess table in the shade during the day and a table under the lights at night. He played chess for 12 hours a day, playing chess for quarters. He was friends with Grandmaster Larry Evans. Kubrick made about $20 a week hustling chess.

It was at the Marshall Chess Club that Kubrick met Alton Cook, a film critic for the New York Telegram and Sun. This got Kubrick interested in making movies and finding the right contacts. 
boris: 23:52:50
In 1956, he wrote the screenplay for The Killing (also called Bed of Fear), based on a novel (Clean Break) by Lionel White. This was his first movie with chess in it.
aether9: 23:53:34
ah, je me souviens pas de ça..
boris: 23:53:50
In 1962, he directed Lolita (1962). It was based on the 1955 book, Lolita, by Vladimir Nabokov (1899-1977), a chess player. 
boris: 23:54:14
In 1930, he wrote Zashchita Luzhina (Luzhin's Defense), which later became a movie. It was about a chess grandmaster who later commits suicide.
boris: 23:54:38
Charlotte plays a game of chess with Humbert, but is a lousy player and loses her Queen. Lolita strolls in the living room in her nightgown as Humbert and Charlotte play chess. Charlotte says, "You're going to take my Queen!" He replies, "That is my intention." Lolita says "Good night" (not good knight) and kisses her mother and Humbert. Humbert then takes Charlotte's Queen in the next move and says, "It had to happen sometime."
boris: 23:54:59
bcp de trucs là...
aether9: 23:55:37
oui, mais je crois qu'on a assez d'éléments pour un résumé, n'en rajoutons pas..
boris: 23:55:40
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/7378/kubrick.htm
boris: 23:55:46
is a great web adress...
boris: 23:55:58
je dois aller, le café ferme.
aether9: 23:56:16
ok. quand finalise-t-on le truc?
boris: 23:57:16
et blackbox dbx
boris: 23:57:20
ensuite il y a les ope. lumière
boris: 23:57:20
kasparov 9000 je vais préparer quelques trucs d'ici demain soir (images et textes pour perfo)
aether9: 23:57:45
oui, je vais encore préparer des trucs pour ça.
aether9: 23:57:50
alors demain soir, 20h
aether9: 23:57:51
?
boris: 23:58:03
(supreme connexion pronlems here.)
aether9: 23:58:34
i see
boris: 23:58:50
ok demain soir 20h?
aether9: 23:58:59
ok
boris: 23:59:10
tschuss
aether9: 23:59:41
ciao

2007-11-19

boris: 20:06:21
salut
aether9: 20:06:52
yeah
boris: 20:07:20
j'ai eu bcp de travail et de crasses aujourd'hui et j'ai pas pu travailler pour kasarov 9000 sauf dans la tete. 
aether9: 20:07:36
ok. what happened?
aether9: 20:07:40
:(
boris: 20:09:52
crasses avec laure et je vis pas "chez moi" depuis quelques jours... je dois tout le temps me déplacer pour avoir de l'internet... boulot dur à gérer dans ces conditions pour ces trucs de pubs et l'atelier d'acteurs.
boris: 20:10:05
en plus je dois chercher un boulot alimentaire...
boris: 20:10:12
heureusement chloé est là...
boris: 20:11:05
bref là ce soir j'ai plus l'influx pour faire une longue session.
boris: 20:11:25
mais pour kasparov, en 2 mots:.
aether9: 20:12:36
oui?
boris: 20:13:34
j'imagine qu'à droite il y a la partie jouée rapidement avec la musique de tetris et à la fin, l'image de ces écrans avec garry se tenant la tete dans les mains. et sur la gauche de ce film, le texte sur une sorte de ballet multimédia
boris: 20:14:11
(quelques infos "techniques" mais surtout un texte sur l'événement)
boris: 20:14:31
pas contre j'ai pas pensé à comment integrer l'histoire
boris: 20:14:37
HAL surtout
aether9: 20:15:07
ok.. en fait j'imaginai un texte assez peu détaillé, disant en gros "le spectacle traite de..." sans entrer dans des détails scèniques...
aether9: 20:15:29
donc nos recherches actuelles sont amplement suffisantes
aether9: 20:15:42
je peux rassembler tout ceci en un petit texte de presse
aether9: 20:15:56
je t'enverrai demain je pense, pour que tu puisses voir avant envoi
aether9: 20:16:11
pour le truc des lumière, je ne suis pas ultra inspiré pour le moment...
aether9: 20:16:35
par contre je viens de faire un petit montage avec mes vidéos de webcam dont je suis assez satisfait
aether9: 20:16:53
ça pourrait assez crédiblement etre un fragment d'une grande installation video realtime
aether9: 20:17:00
avec pour titre: NULL+VOID
boris: 20:17:02
ok - je recevrai cela alors et t'enverrai le résultat à integrerau dudac
boris: 20:17:38
(dossier gary je veux dire  - en français son nick c'est "l'ogre de Baku")
boris: 20:18:02
mais suis pas sur qu'il y ait un nick du genre en anglais
aether9: 20:18:05
authentic? :)
aether9: 20:18:24
the butcher from baku ...
boris: 20:20:57
"l'ogre de bakou" sur google...
boris: 20:23:36
en anglais il semble pas avoir de surnom
boris: 20:29:07
je vais te laisser. me réjouis du dudac. à demain.
aether9: 20:29:59
oui, a+ et tout de bon
boris: 20:31:18
thanks

2007-11-28

aether9: 10:14:58
(/&%/&çç%
aether9: 10:15:04
hello
boris: 10:20:08
 hello - 3 minutes..
boris: 10:43:54
hello
boris: 10:43:59
suis là
boris: 10:44:46
donc tu veux envoyer l'annonce aujourd'hui?
aether9: 10:44:54
oui!
aether9: 10:45:22
je suis en train de rédiger encore une page sur l'exposition, mentionnant quelques pièces...
boris: 10:45:25
effectivement l'esai s'est avéré concluant
boris: 10:45:33
ok
boris: 10:46:03
Kubrik = kubrick (typo)
aether9: 10:46:27
sur l'avis d'anna, je pensais ne pas mettre finalement la vidéo de Kasparov9000, elle est un peu trop handmade...
aether9: 10:46:39
et l'image suffit probablement
aether9: 10:47:01
je corrice le kubrik
boris: 10:47:46
cette vidéo devrai être un peu travailée en effet pour conv^server l'impression d'ensemble.
aether9: 10:48:23
oui, voilà
boris: 10:51:39
je dois m'absenter 15 minutes - à toute
aether9: 11:49:53
voilà déjà le début:
aether9: 11:49:57
Dubai, November 28, 2007

///PRESS RELEASE///

N3krozoft Ltd Exhibition at DUDAC Draws 15,000 Emirati Visitors So Far

N3krozoft Ltd ’s DUDAC SHOW MEETS WITH GREAT SUCCESS

The exhibition "N3krozoft Ltd: 1904-2007", on view through 27 January 2008 at the Digital Art Centre in Dubai (DUDAC), has enjoyed extraordinary interest among Emirati art lovers since opening on 1st November.

This exhinition is the first institutional solo-exhibition of N3krozoft Ltd in the United Arab Emirates, as well as the first major survey since 1992 of the international art collective. Building upon a lineage of continuous projects reaching back to the early days of the computer age, The group has produced artworks in a variety of media, encompassing live visual performance, public art, and critique of software and its relationship to contemporary culture and politics.

This major survey provides an unprecedented opportunity to reassess their ambiguous work, which is caracterised by its obsessive subject matter and experimental approach to media and techniques. It also features a number of new works made specially for the exhibition.
boris: 11:50:31
ok je lis
aether9: 11:51:00
tout le texte est du copier-collé, évidemment
aether9: 11:52:49
auss, je suis en train de progresser sur cette page:
aether9: 11:52:50
http://dudac.org/en/current01.php
boris: 11:55:05
overall - great
boris: 11:55:14
a little things that bug me personnaly:
boris: 11:55:26
 lineage 
boris: 11:55:36
(unclear for lot of peaople)
boris: 11:55:42
unprecedented opportunity 
boris: 11:56:04
(just me, a little too much ;-)
boris: 11:56:12
software critique
boris: 11:56:15
great formula
boris: 11:56:21
or category
boris: 11:56:46
but don't make changes to this, its fine
aether9: 11:57:48
lineage -> le contexte permet de comprendre.. unprecedented opportunity = it's dubai..
boris: 11:57:58
right
boris: 11:58:02
his last moments flicker on a transparent screen.
boris: 11:58:14
(transparent : i like transluscent
aether9: 11:58:24
oui, je viens de faire le changement
aether9: 11:58:39
recharge la page
aether9: 11:59:10
peux-tu trouver un autre titre de pièce "classique" n3krozoftienne ?
aether9: 11:59:18
cf. #3
boris: 11:59:23
ok
boris: 12:00:04
h3x pourrait apparaitre
boris: 12:00:49
spassiba bolchoï
boris: 12:02:23
typo: In the last secion of the exhibition 
boris: 12:02:26
section
boris: 12:05:42
"kernel panik" could also be the name of some multimedia piece
aether9: 12:12:14
je viens d'uploader une nouvelle version
boris: 12:13:56
Baikonur
boris: 12:14:06
Baïkonnur je crois
boris: 12:14:14
and other rare items from the N3krozoft Archive. 
boris: 12:14:24
and other original items from the N3krozoft Archive. 
aether9: 12:14:46
yep
boris: 12:15:26
comme ça , ça donne très envie
aether9: 12:15:27
baïkonur c'est en français...
boris: 12:15:34
a oui...
aether9: 12:15:48
LA référence: http://www.russianspaceweb.com/baikonur.html
boris: 12:16:01
mm
aether9: 12:16:34
j'évite de mentionner le kazakhstan, un certain public pourrait croire que nous faisons allusion à borat....
boris: 12:17:00
nice page indeed
boris: 12:17:43
la photo de contact us est mesmerisinge
boris: 12:17:58
partners
boris: 12:18:04
tu as developpé qqch?
aether9: 12:18:19
partners... reste à faire..
aether9: 12:18:45
la boite de souscription à la mailing-liste fonctionne, par contre
aether9: 12:19:43
la photo de la page contact est une photo du kit de presse de dubai internet city... légèrement photoshopée
boris: 12:19:50
page blackbox:dbx
boris: 12:19:55
typo: He delves into a state of paranoia,
boris: 12:20:12
dvelves or dwelves il me semble
aether9: 12:20:21
non, delve est juste
aether9: 12:20:29
= plonge
boris: 12:20:46
ah oui
aether9: 12:20:48
par contre je l'utilise aussi sur la page current01..
aether9: 12:20:57
une variante serait bienvenue
boris: 12:21:43
he plunges
aether9: 12:23:00
mm, j'aime moins ;)
boris: 12:23:27
he sinks
aether9: 12:23:35
he drifts ?
aether9: 12:23:56
qu'en dis-tu?
boris: 12:23:57
he indulges himself
boris: 12:24:08
he drifts - c'est bon aussi
aether9: 12:24:13
adjugé
boris: 12:24:43
j'ai vu répétition de unprecedented quelquepart aussi
aether9: 12:25:32
est-ce vraiment un problème? ;)
boris: 12:25:35
peut-être je me trompe, je retrouve pas
aether9: 12:26:12
bon, je crois que le site est ok.. reste à finir le texte du mailin
aether9: 12:26:15
g
aether9: 12:26:58
que faut-il y mentionner? novi sad of course.. supported by sitemapping...
boris: 12:38:02
tu veux ajouter cela comment? 
boris: 12:38:11
"related: aether9 etc"
boris: 12:38:12
?
boris: 12:38:36
après le texte que tu m'as envoyé, inviter à visiter le site
boris: 12:38:43
puis "related"
boris: 12:39:12
les sites: dudac.org et n3krozoft.com
aether9: 12:40:32
je pense annoncer les perfors Blackbox et Kasparov, puis Aether9 (ou n3krozoft participe), ansi qu'une présentation de travaux n3krozoft que je vais faire à genève le 13 déc.
boris: 12:43:08
ok - c'est dans quel cadre cette présentation?
aether9: 12:43:49
HEAD
boris: 12:43:58
ok
aether9: 12:44:23
je ferai en sorte que ça sonne assez corporate...
boris: 12:45:19
je vais bientôt devoir partir travailler et il me reste des trucs à faire sur mon ordi pendant la demi-heure suivante. donc je suis là mais pas très actif.
aether9: 12:47:25
ok, je pense que tout est bon...
boris: 12:48:13
concernant la mailing list, comme d'hab j'aimerais y ajouter des nouveaux contacts - possible dans l'immédiat?
aether9: 12:50:55
oui, envoie-moi
aether9: 12:51:35
j'ai un gros dossier de nouveaux contacts que je passe à l'extracteur avant chaque envoi...
boris: 12:53:24
donc pas besoin de les envoyer formatées spécialement?
boris: 12:53:35
ces adresses'
aether9: 12:53:45
non, le programme extracteur s'en charge...
aether9: 12:54:31
je peux te l'envoyer si jamais, très pratique et le site a disparu du web...
boris: 12:55:18
volontiers
boris: 13:00:17
je travaille pour un gros galleriste ici - je l'aide à migrer sa boite mail d'entourage vers mail.app et... j'ai ces 10 000 contacts...
boris: 13:00:25
mais il faut que je voie un peu cela avant...
aether9: 13:03:38
10'000 ... il a du trafiquer avec d'autres galleries pour en avoir autant ;)
boris: 13:03:49
il est très organisé...
boris: 13:04:20
ya meme une catégorie presse suisse...
aether9: 13:04:31
magnifique
boris: 13:05:17
Gabriel.Tortella@edipresse.ch, f.jaunin@freesurf.ch, Michel.Caspary@edipresse.ch, pascal.richard@nikon.ch
boris: 13:05:32
pas très touffue...
aether9: 13:05:34
c'est tout ?!
boris: 13:05:41
ouais
boris: 13:05:42
mouais
boris: 13:25:17
ciao j'y vais, bon travail -  à tout bientot !
aether9: 13:25:54
oui, a+
aether9: 13:27:08
ah, est-ce que j'attends encore des adresses de ta part, ou est-ce que j'envoie?

2007-12-10

boris: 22:03:11
yo
boris: 22:03:19
yoyo
aether9: 22:04:11
hey
boris: 22:04:24
commencons une conférence
aether9: 22:05:55
welcome all
boris: 22:06:51
hi
Nylon: 22:07:01
hello all...from NYC
fe2cruz: 22:07:09
hi
laure.dit: 22:07:18
hi
laure.dit: 22:08:16
is paula coming too ?
boris: 22:08:20
nice weather here in Dubai!
boris: 22:08:52
so next saturday sounds quite exciting!!!
boris: 22:09:05
thrilling
boris: 22:09:08
enthralling
laure.dit: 22:09:09
its so rainy in brussels, i envy u boris
fe2cruz: 22:10:04
paula's not online so far
Nylon: 22:10:12
My co-pilot isn't here yet. Dubai seems dreamlike.The agenda of topic is? who does what? when is a run through?
fe2cruz: 22:10:27
don't see cym either
Nylon: 22:10:31
Be right back....delivery downstairs....
boris: 22:10:32
aether, can you ad nathalie fougeras?
laure.dit: 22:10:41
so we are not going to rehearse now, just get things all set. when would be the general rehearsal ?
ana-lisa: 22:10:46
who is taking part to the performance
ana-lisa: 22:10:48
?
laure.dit: 22:11:19
brussels, la , geneva, colombia for frames
boris: 22:11:24
i understand we need 6 performers ideally - is that number korrekt?
laure.dit: 22:11:24
nyc for sound
boris: 22:11:43
6 performers + sound
ana-lisa: 22:11:47
brussels coud have at least 2 frames
laure.dit: 22:11:50
ideally yes
fe2cruz: 22:11:55
i'm workin on my frames now. if i can't get it i'll do it with a friend who's got a mac
laure.dit: 22:12:30
brussels can take care of room place frame, and adjust and take care of the text
laure.dit: 22:12:55
sorry for my english
boris: 22:13:03
2 text frames + 4 image frames
aether9: 22:13:15
i'm ready to do any of the frames as needed
aether9: 22:13:25
and one great news:
laure.dit: 22:13:30
nath alie are you available on saturday ?
aether9: 22:13:36
i just designed an interactive text box
boris: 22:13:44
here in brussels, i propose that one unit take care of one of the text frame - the other unit can take care of 1 image frame
ana-lisa: 22:13:51
what does it mean, manuel?
boris: 22:14:10
INTERACTIVE TEXT BOX -
boris: 22:14:11
public feedback apparatus
boris: 22:14:17
hit at the hierarchy of mass communication
boris: 22:14:19
YES!!!
aether9: 22:14:21
yes, it's at http://1904.cc/~aether/html/mainframe.html
ana-lisa: 22:14:24
no, the unit who takes care of the text manage the 2 frames of text
Nylon: 22:14:37
could the text me handewriten where we'd see a moving hand or is it set for a character generator?
aether9: 22:14:46
the colors, font, etc.. can still be subject to modification
fe2cruz: 22:14:50
i don't see nath alie online yet. what's the live element gonna be like in dubai?
Nylon: 22:15:08
ah...OK ...character generated then
laure.dit: 22:15:20
ok boris
laure.dit: 22:15:36
ok chloé
boris: 22:16:07
dubai is a hoax
ana-lisa: 22:16:22
ok for a character generated text
Nylon: 22:16:45
which languages/
fe2cruz: 22:16:47
i don't see the text box yet
aether9: 22:17:16
chris, it's here
aether9: 22:17:17
http://1904.cc/aether/shoutbox/index.php
fe2cruz: 22:17:37
oh two differnt pages
aether9: 22:17:44
if you opened the live page before, you might need to refresh the browser's cache...
boris: 22:17:52
ok so you're working on it manu?
laure.dit: 22:18:05
its fun manu
fe2cruz: 22:18:27
SWEEEEEEET
aether9: 22:18:30
it's a possible way for net.audience reaction..
aether9: 22:19:02
all what is typed is stored in a text file.. http://1904.cc/aether/shoutbox/db.txt
fe2cruz: 22:19:12
there can be an applause now
cym: 22:19:53
great :-)
ana-lisa: 22:20:34
so could you have 2 frames like that?
ana-lisa: 22:20:54
in order to have the text directly uploaded like that?
aether9: 22:21:06
you mean for the english/french/xxx text?
ana-lisa: 22:21:24
can we change the color of the background and the size of the letters?
ana-lisa: 22:21:33
yes, thats what I mean
Nylon: 22:22:11
are we going with monochrome blk wht greys?
laure.dit: 22:22:19
ok, since F face should only be visible in the third act and in frame 5, i suggest that all the F wear a black hood sweater
aether9: 22:22:31
cloé: yes, possible.. we could also have a set of such windows where the "input box" would be in another page (only for the performers)
laure.dit: 22:22:44
yes black and white or very lightly colored
ana-lisa: 22:23:07
great manuel!
laure.dit: 22:23:15
that would be very good (chloé manu)
Nylon: 22:23:39
....a water spritzer bottle so that the child costume and windows appear wet & support the sound of rain.......
cym: 22:23:42
maybe there should be one textframe only with input from performers to announce things and one for audience to type
ana-lisa: 22:23:46
I wish it is either very colored (a colection of monochromes), or black and white
boris: 22:23:55
so then we need one person in charge of the text (we don't need 2 persons)
laure.dit: 22:23:58
window, pallet, and door should always be kind of back to camera
ana-lisa: 22:24:15
the "slightly colored" seemes too difficult to  manage.
laure.dit: 22:24:26
no its effects
ana-lisa: 22:24:29
each "slightly colored will be different...
laure.dit: 22:24:43
on the patch
laure.dit: 22:24:50
but maybe youre right
ana-lisa: 22:24:54
difficult to say without a try
ana-lisa: 22:25:07
maybe we can choose on the rehearsal day
laure.dit: 22:25:08
black and wight would be smarter
laure.dit: 22:25:13
true
ana-lisa: 22:25:26
can we agree on a rehearsal day?
ana-lisa: 22:25:43
I'd like thursady afternoon...
aether9: 22:25:48
i'm available all week except thursday / Jeudi evening
aether9: 22:25:58
from 5 on.
boris: 22:26:04
i propose friday afternoon or evening
laure.dit: 22:26:10
so depending on peoples interior who wants to be with the stool, the door the pallet and the window ??????
ana-lisa: 22:26:14
I have troubles with evenings...
ana-lisa: 22:27:01
except if we agree on midnight.
ana-lisa: 22:27:59
Laure, I would like to upload the text.
boris: 22:28:39
so chloé will upload the text from brussels. i would love to do the pallet!
laure.dit: 22:28:51
im very busy all week, b and c should you take care of the acting and image, and ill take care of the text ?
laure.dit: 22:29:03
sorry just read your message
laure.dit: 22:29:41
boris dont you want to be in frame 5 ?
laure.dit: 22:29:52
with the cassette ?
laure.dit: 22:31:05
rehearsal time, friday early evening ?
laure.dit: 22:31:13
brxl time
aether9: 22:31:29
ok, but we certainly need more than one rehearsal.
aether9: 22:31:50
if we could also rehearse on wednesday already, that would be not bad
aether9: 22:32:03
there are quite a lot of parameters to control...
ana-lisa: 22:32:09
I have trouble with friday evening
ana-lisa: 22:32:19
I am in Paris for job opportunities
aether9: 22:32:34
so which time, on friday?
laure.dit: 22:32:41
wednesday midnght ?
ana-lisa: 22:32:54
I like friday, but is midnight a possibility?
fe2cruz: 22:32:59
wednesday & friday my vote
ana-lisa: 22:33:07
boris, laure and I can't do it before
laure.dit: 22:33:15
good at least we agree on the day
ana-lisa: 22:33:19
bxl time...
laure.dit: 22:33:23
paula do you follow ?
laure.dit: 22:33:46
wednesday and friday midnight
fe2cruz: 22:33:48
i'll stay online and forward her the info when she pops back on
ana-lisa: 22:33:53
wdnesday, midnight. OK
laure.dit: 22:33:58
thanks chris
ana-lisa: 22:34:01
OK laure
cym: 22:34:02
wednesday would be good
ana-lisa: 22:34:20
and we rehearse one more time on saturday, early evening?
Nylon: 22:34:21
all these times & days are ok for me as they are late afternoon here
boris: 22:34:29
i'm available:
tuesday: from midnight on
wednesday: morning, afternoon and from midnight on
thursday: morning, between 5 to 8 and from midnight on
friday: all the time
saturday: all the time
ana-lisa: 22:34:35
also for cym to get ready for the real transmission?
fe2cruz: 22:34:54
do we know whose assigned to which frames?
ana-lisa: 22:35:08
no, not yet chris
cym: 22:35:19
on friday and saturday i can probably not see the rehearsal, only on wednesday
laure.dit: 22:35:32
so wednesday midnight, friday midnight, and saturday 8 pm
ana-lisa: 22:35:34
ok, this allready good
boris: 22:35:41
ok
ana-lisa: 22:35:49
is saturday 8pm allright for everybody?
fe2cruz: 22:36:05
yes all bxl time right
boris: 22:36:10
ok
ana-lisa: 22:36:11
right
Nylon: 22:36:25
OK 8PM bxl time sat
aether9: 22:36:37
ok for me, wed + fri midnight as well
cym: 22:36:38
i don't know about the place in novi sad where the performance will be, but i think that they use it for other presentations before
ana-lisa: 22:37:32
I am not sure for friday night...
fe2cruz: 22:37:41
have you tested the internet connection there cym?
cym: 22:37:49
i am not there
ana-lisa: 22:37:53
but if I am doing the text, it is not so bad
cym: 22:38:05
i will go there on friday
laure.dit: 22:38:05
yes
Nylon: 22:38:07
23:15 | LIVE
Screening room 2
Projekciona sala.....this is the room listed
boris: 22:38:12
judy - you'll pre-record your voice, right?
Nylon: 22:38:45
no I  will do the vox live and mix the rain and music via Abelton Live
cym: 22:38:47
they have a full programm, so i think there are other screenings before us on saturday evening in the same room
fe2cruz: 22:39:17
that's cool we're almost plug&play now anyway
ana-lisa: 22:39:34
can we do a check? It is necessary to know when... maybe saturday morning?
cym: 22:39:43
check what?
ana-lisa: 22:39:52
nice that you do everything live, Judy
boris: 22:40:08
Judy: ok. i would like to fool around with beethoven's "ghost trio" later tonite - i'll post the resusts tommorow morning - i dont care if we don't use it :-)
Nylon: 22:40:12
I is fun and I have done a lot of Vox over
ana-lisa: 22:40:18
check if it works in the screening place
aether9: 22:40:20
cym, the room appears to be used from 19:15 on saturday, not earlier.
boris: 22:40:25
faint voice... grrr
fe2cruz: 22:40:42
judy do you have stuff to mix for preshow and post show?
Nylon: 22:40:52
Great....I wanted to dub it and play with it......
cym: 22:41:17
so i will check the setup before 19:00
Nylon: 22:41:34
I adore Becket and gre up with the 'vox' he refers to
ana-lisa: 22:41:38
yes, let's do it at 7pm
ana-lisa: 22:41:52
rehearsal 5 pm.
boris: 22:42:02
so far we have the following frames:
> yorba linda
> brussels
> geneva
we still need 3 frames
fe2cruz: 22:42:29
6 non txt visual?
boris: 22:43:01
we need 1 more visual: paula?
Nylon: 22:43:03
what is going on with the dust frames.....the greys....what is in those frames exactly?
boris: 22:43:20
1 of these frames will be users feedback
fe2cruz: 22:43:26
so just 4 visual total?
boris: 22:43:29
2 grays will be there
laure.dit: 22:43:36
no boris we must have 4 active frames and thats what we have, two other are text, and the three of below are shades of grey
boris: 22:43:36
4 visual total + 2 text
laure.dit: 22:43:56
and dust
boris: 22:43:57
so where's the audience feedback box?
Nylon: 22:44:05
can the greys be vid so there is subtle movement?
laure.dit: 22:44:16
we can put it in the greys
laure.dit: 22:44:29
there will be judy
fe2cruz: 22:44:30
the txt shoutbox is a test in its own webpage still
fe2cruz: 22:44:49
http://1904.cc/aether/shoutbox/index.php
aether9: 22:44:56
one person could be in charge of doing "very nice" greys...
aether9: 22:45:08
dusty floors etc
laure.dit: 22:45:50
can we accredit fr2, 4, , 5, 6 ?
laure.dit: 22:46:28
please
fe2cruz: 22:46:36
i'll take whatever frame you want me to be
aether9: 22:46:51
i'd do the window, for instance (fr 2)
Nylon: 22:46:57
I want to be clear....I am not currently set up to be seen only heard. OK?
boris: 22:47:08
yes!
boris: 22:47:21
something was unclear - but you'll be heard only.
Nylon: 22:47:36
OK
boris: 22:48:34
i'll gladly do frame 4 (the pallet) or 5 (the sitting dude)
fe2cruz: 22:48:38
well maybe I should get the easiest active frame just incase i have technical issues
laure.dit: 22:48:59
well chris then maybe take the window
aether9: 22:49:56
either the window, or some artistic grey shapes..
ana-lisa: 22:50:22
we need 4 performers manuel.
laure.dit: 22:50:25
are we sure paulas participating ?
ana-lisa: 22:50:29
you should do the door
boris: 22:50:41
she said she wishes too.
ana-lisa: 22:50:44
with the corridor stuff that is a little bit more complicated
aether9: 22:50:50
paula wrote me she wants to participate.
boris: 22:50:53
so we must assume paula participates.
aether9: 22:51:02
maybe she could also provide the boy ?
ana-lisa: 22:51:08
and does the door. pk
ana-lisa: 22:51:10
ok
Nylon: 22:51:24
Chris and I found the time lag to be 6 sec. on sound last night. I have sung live through a n old space station before so I don't expect a problem once we have the flow of the action
ana-lisa: 22:51:29
of course, if she does the door she provides the boy
fe2cruz: 22:51:35
paula will be here later. i'm sure.
laure.dit: 22:51:50
 if its too complicate to get the boy or the shot of a corridor, in order to be effective, theses images could be pre-recorded
boris: 22:52:00
she akways has kids in her frames running behind klike on tarkovsky's space ship
boris: 22:52:03
always
ana-lisa: 22:52:08
yes,b ut still...
ana-lisa: 22:52:50
ok:
fe2cruz: 22:52:55
is it ok if i get horses to run behind me?
ana-lisa: 22:53:05
paula:  frame 6
ana-lisa: 22:53:10
boris frame 5
ana-lisa: 22:53:17
chris frame 2
boris: 22:53:18
camels please
ana-lisa: 22:53:21
me frame 1 and 3
ana-lisa: 22:53:35
laure frame 4?
laure.dit: 22:53:42
perfect
ana-lisa: 22:53:46
manuel ok: frame 4
laure.dit: 22:53:57
i thought i was filming boris
laure.dit: 22:53:59
?!
ana-lisa: 22:54:00
Laure, you do the frame 5 with boris
ana-lisa: 22:54:09
rright
boris: 22:54:12
laure and me: frame 5.
laure.dit: 22:55:24
do u people agree with the black hood, in order to make clearer the hide of the face ?
aether9: 22:55:46
ok so... should i do frame 4? could also do frame 5 if boris wants the pallett..
aether9: 22:56:01
black hood: that's exactly what i was thinking
fe2cruz: 22:56:02
as opposed to a vail or hankerchief?
laure.dit: 22:56:12
boris ? do you want to change ?
ana-lisa: 22:56:14
chloe: frame 1 & 3
chris: frame 2
Manuel: frame 4
Boris: frame 5
Paula (+ kid) : frame6

frame 7 - 8 : gray (who's taking care opf this?)
frame 9: spectator reaction
laure.dit: 22:56:25
good lisa
aether9: 22:57:08
any more ideas regarding the "look" of the caracter , clothing...
aether9: 22:57:10
?
fe2cruz: 22:57:17
we could just prerecord some greys right, and let them run autopilot?
boris: 22:57:20
well i have a pallet at home, so why not, sure!
laure.dit: 22:57:32
yes chris
ana-lisa: 22:57:38
the character is weraing a long black coat
laure.dit: 22:57:53
boris youre in FRAME 5
fe2cruz: 22:58:00
should windowboy2 wear anything in particular?
laure.dit: 22:58:27
window boy is F, and wears a black hood
ana-lisa: 22:58:48
the same
laure.dit: 22:58:52
 F is one  person, demultplicated in 4 spaces
laure.dit: 22:59:10
of one same room
aether9: 22:59:12
yes, obviously the caracter should look as similar as possible
fe2cruz: 22:59:51
black hood, lets all have as many coats during the rehersal available to try to match.
aether9: 23:00:19
while reading the text, i had an image in mind of a photo of Georges Demenÿ, assistant to Marey (inventor of "chronophotography")
laure.dit: 23:00:35
yeah... but lets concentrate on the hood
aether9: 23:00:46
where he's wearing an all black costume to record movements
aether9: 23:00:59
there is a very bad version of that picture here:
laure.dit: 23:01:03
interesting
aether9: 23:01:07
http://amif.club.fr/francais/mag/marey/Image10.jpg
laure.dit: 23:01:30
nice, very nice
aether9: 23:01:47
will try to find the original photo and send it to you
fe2cruz: 23:02:01
like a beekeeper in a catsuit
boris: 23:03:29
so all black with black hood?
fe2cruz: 23:03:35
oh yeah besides the clothes what mandetory props are needed?
laure.dit: 23:03:36
yes
laure.dit: 23:03:52
mandetory props, whats that ?
aether9: 23:04:11
for your frame, chris: none ;)
laure.dit: 23:04:24
mandetory props, whats that ?
boris: 23:04:26
props = accessoires
Nylon: 23:04:27
Costume wet windows wet..spray with water.....act 3 need a spay bottle
fe2cruz: 23:04:30
cassette, stool
fe2cruz: 23:04:40
mirror
fe2cruz: 23:05:05
just anything else we should bring to the rehesal to be prepared
Nylon: 23:05:51
thing to controal the light so it has no origin
Nylon: 23:06:03
deflectors
boris: 23:06:26
diffuse light, ok.
laure.dit: 23:06:48
these are more or less details that we will have to adjust on wednesday
boris: 23:06:49
no shadows?
fe2cruz: 23:06:58
but bright even light all over so its easy right?
laure.dit: 23:07:02
if possible no
aether9: 23:07:43
bright light, but you need to soften it so there are no sharp shadows..
fe2cruz: 23:08:13
we can adjust the contrast levels if we have issue though right?
aether9: 23:08:28
actually it's great if chris makes the window part, since he will have an early california afternoon, while novi sad is in deep night and fog..
fe2cruz: 23:08:58
might be cloudy or rainy dark afternoon here though
boris: 23:09:02
question: a "hood" - it covers the face (leaving holes for eyes and mouth) or not?
fe2cruz: 23:09:31
yeah are we talkin hoodie or mask?
Nylon: 23:09:59
at one last moment the face is seen in act 3  no......so it should be a domino style hood
laure.dit: 23:10:09
judy im not so sure about "ghost given"  for the title? should we keep ghost trio in regard to the music, or ghost quattro for the 4 acting frames, or ghost nano, for all the frames ? what do you all think ?
Nylon: 23:10:25
fine....just fooling around
Nylon: 23:10:44
I don't love nanao
boris: 23:10:47
domino style - waza?
boris: 23:11:04
ghost unforgiven
Nylon: 23:11:05
venice....carnival stylee
boris: 23:11:13
aha.
boris: 23:11:14
ok
fe2cruz: 23:11:47
ghost in dutch is spook!
Nylon: 23:11:58
wow...good
laure.dit: 23:12:01
the face should not be completely hidden, it should stay in the shadow of the hood
laure.dit: 23:12:10
whats ghost in serbian ?
boris: 23:13:27
Judy - what style do you mean? --> http://images.google.be/images?q=mask%20venice&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
ana-lisa: 23:13:32
I suggest a hat that is making a shadow on the face
fe2cruz: 23:13:44
duh, duša, prikaza
fe2cruz: 23:13:51
http://www.stars21.com/translator/english_to_serbian.html
ana-lisa: 23:13:58
no mask. it is beckett, minimalist.
cym: 23:14:09
duh is good, it fits in three frames :-)
ana-lisa: 23:14:41
duh trio
ana-lisa: 23:14:46
?
boris: 23:14:53
naaa sounds bad in latin
fe2cruz: 23:15:05
duy rio yo
aether9: 23:15:07
i suggest a basic streetware hood, as we will never manage to have a similar hat...
fe2cruz: 23:15:12
duh trio yo
fe2cruz: 23:15:23
ghost trio is fine with me
laure.dit: 23:15:25
yes i agree with aether
cym: 23:15:33
ghost trio is better
fe2cruz: 23:15:49
wutang hoodie it is!
ana-lisa: 23:15:50
a agree with aether and chris
fe2cruz: 23:17:26
http://www.netweed.com/prohiphop/graf/wutanglogo2.jpg
aether9: 23:17:49
beyond the hood, we could try to stick to thight black clothing
fe2cruz: 23:18:43
i think i can manage all black pants and shirt that fit fairly tight but nothing skin tight
boris: 23:19:19
fantomas
ana-lisa: 23:19:27
I like the wu tang style
Nylon: 23:19:38
nothing like ballet.......
ana-lisa: 23:19:39
sweater with hood
ana-lisa: 23:19:43
black pant
ana-lisa: 23:19:55
easy to find
laure.dit: 23:20:06
doesent matter if its not too tight, i mean its symbolic, everybody dressed in black with a hood, everybody the same
ana-lisa: 23:20:16
hides the difference of body between different performers
fe2cruz: 23:20:38
but you guys still want color in each active frame or can we go greyscale?
ana-lisa: 23:20:52
we will try on wednesday
fe2cruz: 23:21:06
b/w would make it easier to match
laure.dit: 23:21:13
yeah, do we need to fix anything more until then ?
ana-lisa: 23:21:25
how it looks like all grey and how it is with one blue-red-green frame (frames 2-4-6)
fe2cruz: 23:21:37
i think we got it all, better let it go before we start debating on what shoes to wear
Nylon: 23:21:47
another issue is letting people know we are doing this.....I will post Node1 (UK) and Myspace for reposts and use a friends emailing list.......what else

Mailing list & inclusionary invitation (I will write one in English to my mailing list of people unfamiliar with viewing events on line) to expand the on-line audience. Could we use VOIP numbers or IM to walk potential audience members through getting their computers configured….help being available up to one hour before broadcast? If not this time…maybe next time or provided by the gallery
ana-lisa: 23:21:56
lets see each other on wedneday-
ana-lisa: 23:22:17
dressed with appropèriate clothes, maybe several choices
ana-lisa: 23:22:33
framing appropriate space
fe2cruz: 23:23:06
cool yeah judy could youforward that nice invitation earlier to manuel to give to the big mailing list?
Nylon: 23:23:20
yes
fe2cruz: 23:23:27
like a nice warm letter rather than an annoying annoucement
boris: 23:23:49
fantomas: 
boris: 23:23:50
http://www.septimovicio.com/datos/sjff_01_img0516.jpg
http://www.oeil-ecran.com/images/vampires.jpg
Nylon: 23:23:52
with charm
aether9: 23:24:17
boris: that's irma vep
boris: 23:24:26
yes a really sweet announcment¨
boris: 23:24:43
irma vep - vampire - related to fantomas somewhat
fe2cruz: 23:24:56
should we scratch in fin like in assayas irma vep
aether9: 23:25:16
yeah. .definitively material for a future aether show...
ana-lisa: 23:25:25
see you on wednesday guys
fe2cruz: 23:25:38
ok thanks everyone see you wed
Nylon: 23:25:40
final///details or wed?
Nylon: 23:25:47
time
boris: 23:25:52
for the announcment: let's not do it at the last moment!
Nylon: 23:26:03
right away champ
fe2cruz: 23:26:05
wed midnight bxl
cym: 23:26:07
ok see you wednesday
cym: 23:26:15
midnight? okay
Nylon: 23:26:19
OK
aether9: 23:26:31
ok
boris: 23:26:42
everybody collects his emails and we make a big powerfull adressboog database and send it
boris: 23:26:57
on wednesday nite!
boris: 23:27:00
see you then.
cym: 23:27:07
ok
fe2cruz: 23:27:12
ok cu
boris: 23:27:31
bye all!
Nylon: 23:27:32
OK.....bye....will check for Boris's dub when I get up
laure.dit: 23:27:47
bye
boris: 23:28:19
ok